Two different taxes at the same time

Hello,

My first post, my first question and my first congratulations :happy:.

So, the freelancers can have two different taxes in Spain, at the same time, in the same invoice: IVA = +16% and IRPF = -15% (negative).

How can this be managed?

Thank you.

Can you tell me more on IRPF ? How does it works.
Is it a reduce on each line ?

Hi eldy,

IRPF is a “physical person rent tax” related to a some freelances, frequently 15%, and is the company invoiced who has the obligation to pay it to the Treasury Dept.

For example,
The base of a invoice is 100,
the freelance has to charge a (VAT) IVA 16% = +16
but the company must retain his IRPF 15% = -15.
the total of the invoice is 101.

In fact, this is a 1% plus, but it has to be detailed in the invoice and accounted for separatedly.

Thank you. :wink:

I will be interested in receiving an example of invoice (not mad by dolibarr) with several products lines to show how to deal IRPF on a PDF. If you have this and not confidential, you can send it to eldy@destailleur.fr

I have send to you a model.
The IRPF is applicated to the entire invoice.
This is the case I know but I will try to find out other different cases, if any.

Of course I’m not an expert and this is a sinthesis of what I have read:

IRPF = Income Tax, Personal Income Tax or Personal Rent Tax

The IRPF tax only can be applied on a professional activity, not an enterpreneurial one.

Depending on this activity, the IRPF could be fixed (not sure) at 20%, 15%, 7% (commerce and catering and hotel industry, or in the first 6 months of activity of the freelance), 1% and 0% (when invoicing to a phisical person or to a non communitary company).

The VAT could be different too, as you know and the application actualy considers, and I think this will affect every line.

Hope it helps.

Hi,

The income tax is at the level of billing in which the Total TTC, it reduced the IRPF, withholding tax on IRPF is usually 15%. However, withholding will be reduced to 7% during the period of onset of activity and the following two years, where his first work as a professional. Deduction of IRPF is applicable only when the bill extends to another company, who paid such tax in the Treasury (Hacienda) on behalf of the issuer. That is part of the money that Treasury it will be returned. Therefore, the IRPF should not be included in the invoice when it comes to a particular customer.

Do not forget to require the same requirements for invoices that are received by the business activity, as it will be able to deduct the VAT and IRPF expense in as few tickets would not be simple enough.

I hope you understand the post because my English is very bad! :blush:

Hi again!

we should also remember that in Spain there is also the “Recargo de Equivalencia”, tax to paying certain types of companies wenn not require to declare VAT (this tax is usually 4%). Invoices that these companies receive from their suppliers will have aply to TTC 16 VAT % + 4% RE.

The companys than are not obliged to declare VAT can not apply the RE to particular customers and companies who are obliged to declare VAT

The Spanish Tax ist complicated…

Eldy, If you want, I can prepare a report with the Spanish tax (IVA, IRPF, RE. etc), and its management.

With time I can make an adaptation of Dolibarr to these Spanish taxes if you must see and user demands it.

Simnandez, your explanation and your English are better than mine.
Hablamos en castellano? :happy:

IRPF (f.ex. 15%) always will afect to the businessman and to the total of a invoice (or not), but never line by line, I think.

Should can be a possibility to add a second tax field to the entire invoice? as a selection to apply in the invoice and like a configuration field of the company. :dry:

Hi,

Yes, taxes (IRPF and RE) are applied to the entire bill, not to the line (line by line).

Respect the posibility, I suppose those responsible for Dolibarr,
made to consider and to decide.

I will see all the Spanish taxes, and their applications to the invoicing, and I drawn up a report for what they consider…

Spain is diferent (Even in taxes…) :tongue:

Hi athomix, i did not receive your invoice sample.
Did you send it to eldy@destailleur.fr ?

I tried again. Have you recieved it?

Thanks, i’ve got it.

(All in spanish)
the best summary I have found

Full information about IRPF from the Spanish Internal Revenue Office (Agencia Tributaria) :blink:

A pdf document relative to the “Recargo de Equivalencia” application.

Edit:
And maybe all you could need in French :woohoo:

Wow

You’ve saved me a lot of work!!!

Thanks!

NOTE:Ets catalĂ ?

Yes I’am! :laugh: I tu?

Hi,

Jo sóc de Gandia (València). Utilitzes Dolibarr en castellà o en català?

Salutacions

Estic fent proves en castellà. Vaig pensar que si en un futur podia donar accés als clients per veure el seu historial, sempre seria més entenedor per a ells. Em va semblar llegir que no es podia seleccionar l’idioma, o sí?

M’està agradant molt el Dolibarr. De moment crec que modificaré el pdf de la factura amb l’IRPF a lo bestia, esperant la solució definitiva o a tenir temps per endinsar-me en el codi.

Cada usuari pot tenir el seu idioma (configurable des de la gestió d’usuaris). A més en la configuració del sistema pots indicar multi-llengua, això et permetrà crear els documents (factures, comandes, etc) en qualsevol idioma dels disponibles, independentment del usat per l’usuari.

Si ja dic que m’està agradant molt. :wink: Gràcies per l’info.

EDITO: Ens hauran d’obrir un fòrum en català! :laugh:

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